Poker tells at live $1-2 no-limit

I played three sessions of live $1-2 NLHE in the past couple weeks, with the purpose of studying what poker tell information was the most important to look for. It’d been a while since I played $1-2 (mostly just been playing occasional $100+ tournaments lately), so I was curious what I’d see.

First, and most importantly, it reminded me that, for your average live $1-2 player, looking for poker tells is a waste of time. Not that they are not present; they are, but most players’ time would be much better spent studying some basic strategies instead of looking for tells. So if you’re a struggling live $1-2 player, reading this article will be a waste of time; read a basic strat book like Dan Harrington on Cash Games, James Sweeney’s Dynamic Full Ring Poker, or Ed Miller’s Small Stakes No Limit Hold’em, or start reading posts in one of the many poker strategy forums, like the Live Low Stakes forum at Twoplustwo.com.

Second, the other reason poker tells are of limited use in a live low-stakes game like this is because players often do weird, goofy things that fly in the face of logic. So getting a read that a player has a mediocre hand doesn’t do you much if that player is randomly going to go all the way with that hand. Many players at live $1-2 will frequently call off all their chips with a pair and a draw, or even just a draw, even if they wouldn’t bet it. Many players also overvalue hands like AK, and will put a lot of chips in pre-flop or on the flop with those hands. So this just reinforces the idea that you shouldn’t be wasting too much time looking for soul reads, but should instead be just noticing player-specific playing styles.

Third, I had forgotten how passive many players are who play at these stakes. For those players, there were no real post-bet tells to speak of. (Post-bet tells are a category of tells that occur after someone has bet; this distinguishes them from other situations.) If these players bet a lot of money, they were going to have a strong hand, period. For many players with this playing style, you can forget about studying them for post-bet tells, just because the likelihood of them ever making a significant bluff is highly unlikely. (But this does point to the fact that if you do have aggressive players at the table, those are the people it is more beneficial to study first.)

Usually, in higher-stakes games (and often in some $1-2 games) there are a good amount of aggressive players, which makes looking for post-bet tells more useful. I usually say that post-bet tells, when they come after significant bets, are the most important information to gather, but playing $1-2 reminded me that in these more passive games, where many people are just waiting for a hand, they aren’t that important.

I would say some of the key money-making decision points against more passive, nitty players at this level (besides just waiting for good hands) are:

• Deciding when to continuation bet with weak hands in multi-way pots
• Deciding when to bluff the turn
• Deciding when to bluff the river

Most of that will boil down to fundamental strategy and player tendencies. But every once in a while a poker tell can help you out in one of these spots.

So what poker tells are important? After getting back into the swing of things at $1-2, here were the behaviors I found most important:

• Taking a long time to check when weak
• Defensive chip handling when weak
• After cards arrive, staring at board when weak

These are all waiting-for-action tells, as opposed to post-bet tells, which makes sense when you’re dealing with players who aren’t betting as much and are instead calling way too much. I’ll explain these all in order and give a couple examples.

Taking a long time to check when weak
Some players will take a long time to check to the aggressor when they hold weak hands. Don’t use this tell generally, though, because most players will vary their bet- and check-timing enough (both consciously and because there can be a lot of thought-inducing situations with many different types of hands) that it’s hard to get a good read. But against some players it can be very useful information.

For example, let’s say a player calls your pre-flop raise, hits a medium pair on the flop, checks to you and calls your flop bet. The turn card comes, doesn’t improve him, and he then takes like ten seconds to check to you. Whereas if he had a top-pair hand or better, where he knew he was probably going to be calling, he would only take a couple of seconds to check.

I’m not saying this is extremely useful information, because sometimes, with a medium-strength hand, $1-2 players will call you anyway. It’s going to be mainly useful against the most nitty players; the ones you know are scared to carry on without very strong hands. Those are the ones who you might bet off the hand on the turn if you get some sense of weakness.

Along with taking a long time to check, a player might look very studious in studying the board, as if trying to figure out what to do. That combined behavior is usually a sign of a vulnerable hand. As is the following tell, which you can sometimes see in concert with these:

Defensive chip handling when weak
The gist of this one is that players will often try to make you think they’re interested in calling by handling their chips in a defensive manner when it’s your turn to act. They might hold their chips in their hand, as if ready to put them in. They might start cutting out chips as if ready to call. Basically, any chip handling action that looks vaguely defensive in nature, even if it’s quite subtle, is usually a sign that the player holds a vulnerable hand. When a player holds a strong hand, they want to give no impediment to your bet, no matter how small.

This is a very useful one; it’s one that came up a handful of times in hands I was in, making me feel better about making a large river bluff. In one hand in particular, I had been betting first to act on the flop and turn, and I thought it was quite possible my opponent had flopped the flush draw. When a low flush card came on the river, I probably usually would have given up on the bluff, except for the fact I saw him riffling his chips in his hand while he stared at me (staring at an opponent when they’re waiting to act can also be a sign of weakness), so I bet $100 and he folded.

Two other hands went down very similarly to that. In one three-bet pot, where I’d three-bet and whiffed with AQ, an opponent called the flop, but I pushed all-in on a turn of 9JK3 based on my opponent grabbing his chips and holding them up defensively as he checked to me. It wasn’t usually a spot I would have felt so comfortable in.

Again, even if this tell is only 75% reliable, that’s still a great reason to carry through on a bluff that’s already got a lot of logic behind it; in my experience, though, this tell is more reliable than that for most players.

Staring at board cards when weak
I had forgotten how much the staring-at-the-board when weak applied to low stakes. At higher limits it wasn’t something I was accustomed to looking for as much, because at $2-5 and above I feel players are better about being more consistent with where they look. But this brought back to me how much information is out there with this, and why it is important to be looking at the players when the cards arrive.

Also, this is a more present tell in multi-way pots, because in heads-up spots, even bad players tend to be more on their guard and less likely to give away obvious tells like this.

The gist of this tell is that players who connect well (like top pair or better) tend to look away from the board when the cards come out. This can be seen as an involuntarily, unconscious attempt to distract attention away from value.

I got back into the habit of trying to watch everyone in the hand during multi-way flops, trying to see if anyone looked away immediately. Mainly I tried to watch the player or players behind me, because that is more valuable information than what the players in front of me do.

For example, in most three-way (or more) pots, if I’m the pre-flop raiser, I usually will shut down if the board comes down pretty scary and I haven’t connected. Like if I raise pre-flop and the board is 9TQ or something similar, I give up if I raised with 67s, or AK, or something that missed completely, because those are the types of boards that hit right in the range of most players who call a raise. Whereas on a really dry board, like K73 rainbow, I will usually bet into two other players (but not usually three other players).

But looking for opponents who are staring at the flop can make me feel more comfortable about betting into a multi-way pot. It happened several times in three-way and four-way pots where I wouldn’t usually have bet from a fundamental strategy perspective, but the immense amount of staring going on by my opponents made me feel safer. Occasionally, I would still get one caller out of the bunch, but that still put me in more profitable spots than not betting, and I felt more confident, based on their staring, that they had weak hands.

Again, this is not something you want to use to make very large decisions. Good players will stare consistently at the flop whether they hit or not. And even for the people who exhibit this tell the most, it won’t always be entirely accurate. This will mainly be useful for determining fairly borderline situations, like when you decide to get aggressive and follow through on flop bets in multiway pots, or follow through on turn bets, or when you decide to take a more passive line. Those can be very borderline situations, so a little extra information can go a long way.

Conclusions
All in all, I never want to give the impression that tells are something that will let you crush microstakes, or any game for that matter. I think they can give you little hints here and there for the best action to take, but these are often actions that are dictated by fundamental strategy. Occasionally, you can get really obvious signs from some players that dictate a very specific course of action, but you shouldn’t try too hard to look for those spots. Those are spots that will come to you naturally, the more comfortable you get with tells.

Comments

  1. Chag says

    While playing at Foxwoods the other day, witnessed the chip handling tell. I was not in the hand but observing the other players. player on my left was fairly new to the table but looked to be a LOP type player, on my right was a fairly TAG. player on the left limped and called preflop, checked and called post plop. he checked the turn then picked up about $50 worth of red chips and stared strait at the player on my right while waiting for him to act. I peeked over to the TAG to see him glance at the checker and announce “All In”. the checker put the chips back down and mucked. I smiled to myself thinking “aha you saw that too!”

  2. says

    Thx for your blog post, Duuuude! I look forward to read even more. A few days ago, I put your your blog into my blog roll. Let’s rock! Beste Gröten, Nic P.S. Right now, I read your book. Entertaining & making appetite to play live poker.

  3. Ben says

    Zachary,

    I really enjoyed your book, and I enjoyed this post, but as a low limit player, I think both miss what to me are the most moneymaking low limit tells.

    First off, let me say that I play low limit for a reason, which is I’m not a great poker player. I used to play 2-4 limit hold-em in New York, and I was a consistent slight winner. I once did the math and I was making an average of $5/hr. Without the rake, I imagine that would have been $8-10. However, I was playing in New York, where poker clubs are illegal, so the players have to really search out the games and are consequently better on average than casino players. I’ve never lost money playing limit at a casino. I also found that, even at limit, most of my edge came from tells, either reading others’ or giving off false ones. It’s the reason I don’t do particularly well online. Also, I get bored online and start playing too many hands.

    I recently moved to LA and started playing 1-2 No Limit, and my success has been inconsistent. When I’m on, I can crush the table. When I’m off, I’m a definite loser. I’ve noticed a few holes in my game.

    1) I don’t have the stamina to play well for more than 4 hours. I get bored, stop paying close attention, and make slip ups. In limit, when this happens I’ll misplay a hand for a small penalty and then either go home or chide myself back into alertness. In No Limit, you don’t have to spend very long on tilt to undo a night.

    2) I’m still getting accustomed to adjusting my strategy depending on the size of my stack, which to me has been the biggest No Limit adjustment.

    3) I can’t play tired, which means I generally play afternoon games. This is partly my attempt to counteract problem #1, but it also has the interesting effect of meaning that I play against afternoon players, who are different from evening players. Afternoon players are more timid, and none of them are drinking.

    So, with all of those disclaimers, what I’ve noticed is that the most lucrative tells I notice are the tells in between hands. Most low limit players have a strategy and stick to it, but they change that strategy up periodically. If you’re just observing how they play their hands, you won’t notice these shifts until a few hands into them. If they’re really erratic, this may be just in time for them to switch again. However, if you watch between hands, you can tell when they’re about to go on the offensive or switch to a waiting game. Simply put, if they start paying more attention, expect them to begin bluffing. If they start paying less attention, expect them to tighten up.

    Also, many players between hands seem compelled to show off their analysis of the game. Obviously, this behavior gives you complete insight into their personal strategy. What people don’t talk about is how much insight it gives you into the whole tables’ thinking. Many players at the table want to show off their thinking, but they have the discipline to stay quiet. Those players will either nod or shake their head at the chatterbox’s analysis, letting you know if they agree or disagree. I find it very useful to induce this type of tell by being friendly or distant. If asked what cards I had, usually after a successful bluff, I’ll say something annoying like, “I don’t remember.” After a little while, this will piss someone off enough to start telling me/the table what they “know” I had. This doesn’t just let me know what my current table image is to them, it lets me know what my table image is to everyone via nods and such. It can also unite the whole table behind a single opinion, because people will be influences by the commentator’s analysis. Obviously, it’s much easier to play against your table image when the whole table is of a single opinion.

    Because low-limit players tend to stick to their game plan, I usually find the most lucrative uses for during hand tells to be tells I exhibit for misdirection. Most low-limit players are thinking at the level of what their opponent’s hands may be and what their opponent’s perception of their hands may be. They’re not thinking at the level of your perception of their perception of you. Maybe one player at the table thinks that way, and hopefully that player is to your right. When a player isn’t taking your perception of their perception of you into account, they are easy to manipulate once you figure out what tells they are aware of and looking for. Bluffing a player like this is as easy as leaning back and flashing them a genuine big smile with eye contact. I do this by imagining they’ve already folded. Similarly, getting them to call is as simple as avoiding eye contact while sitting still and tensing your shoulders.

    I want to mention one more thing which is only slightly tell related but I think is a big 1-2 NL move. Whenever possible, I try to have a tight player to my left. This is much more important to me than putting the chips on my right. The reason is, 1-2 players don’t really believe your button bluffs. They’ll call you with nothing just because you’re on the button. However, if you try to buy a pot one off the button, knowing that the player to your left folds 70% of hands, you can go wild stealing pots. Players will believe you because weren’t last to act, and truly weak players will start thinking the tight player knows something they don’t or be shamed by their fold into tightening up for one hand. One off the button with a tight player to my left, I may bet every un-raised pot and follow through with a big flop bet.

    I’m curious how much of this would hold true at higher limits.

  4. says

    you talk about $1$2 games being on the wild side. Here is one I saw Sat. 7/13/13 at Hollywood Casino in Charles Town, West. Va.
    All things considered what with there being a side pot I am making all stacks about
    $200.00. That seemed to be the average stack.
    Blinds of $1$2 posted. First player to act goes all in. 2nd player to act goes all in.
    Folded to another player who goes all in. Fold and then the 4th all in. I am sitting there
    thinking wtf could they have? AA-KK-AK or AQ? Totally wrong. After the final board
    of 4T565 the hands were turned over. First player to go all in has tens full for the winner. 2nd all in had QQ. third all in had 45o for a smaller boat. 4th all in had 99.
    Charles Town is supposed to be known for their wild games from coast to coast. Believe you me, this is true. The only real way to play these people is to sit and wait
    for quality starters. You can’t bluff them off a pot. They will call you down with any part of the board no matter your image or what the board is. I know because I have used every trick I have and they don’t work against these players. My latest failed bluff was from a kid who said he wanted to learn the game more so he could be a pro.
    I have total air going to the river which is a queen. I move forward and bet $30. He tanks and finally calls and says this, “I have a 5.” That gave him a pair of fives. He got my $30 but I busted him soon after that hand and he left the table. I think the fact that CT is near Va. and the IT money makes it so loose. Get stacked, just rebuy. I have seen players rebuy 3 or 4 times for $300. Money seems to mean nothing to them. I have done very well there just by being very patient.
    I am going to order your book tomorrow. Good reading so far on the blog. Love it all.
    Best to all.

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